tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post2968767085785154894..comments2023-10-17T09:14:23.972-07:00Comments on The Flying Predator: Inner Thoughts: Dark Eldar List Concoctions Part 1Metal Rancorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06382197804827241512noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-7560652887053147822013-02-24T04:34:59.131-08:002013-02-24T04:34:59.131-08:00A thought provoking list! I've recently starte...A thought provoking list! I've recently started to dabble with Dark Eldar and will be running a Duke/Baron combo list to begin with. <br /><br />I've found your blog very informative on Dark Eldar tactics and am looking forward to getting my DE onto the table. Keep up the good work!Svorlrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13016275340067614781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-40520548786326752582013-02-18T08:26:59.709-08:002013-02-18T08:26:59.709-08:00"The Baron could be focused on but placement ..."The Baron could be focused on but placement and target priority are key. This isn't a point and click unit that takes no skill unit. It is in fact the opposite."<br /><br />I think what was suggested was focus firing on lower cover save. The bikes have a 2+ cover save, the baron at best has a 3+ cover save if behind 4+ cover. I you focus fire on worse than 2+ cover save all hits go on the Baron. Of course he could still "Look Out Sir", so I don't think it's that much of a weakness as the Baron would have to fail a 2+ Look Out Sir and the fail his 2+ Shadowfield.<br /><br />This is an interesting tactic, and I don't think it could be done with Reavers, who are too fragile for this (lower save, and no Fortune reroll).<br /><br />I'm interested to see how this tactic does, but I suspect it doesn't out perform the Baron with Beastmasters.<br /><br />If you really want this tactic to work I think you need up pay the points and use a seer council rather than the spears.<br /><br />RathstarRathstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799690336241322474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-13289109655782308852013-02-16T11:49:46.427-08:002013-02-16T11:49:46.427-08:00What Tarrasq said. The Baron gives them Hit and R...What Tarrasq said. The Baron gives them Hit and Run. Sorry if thatwasn't clear.<br /><br />The Baron could be focused on but placement and target priority are key. This isn't a point and click unit that takes no skill unit. It is in fact the opposite.SCP Yeemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275376323671672419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-77614834018832426392013-02-16T02:25:08.385-08:002013-02-16T02:25:08.385-08:00I should say neither do the shining spears, unless...I should say neither do the shining spears, unless you have points to spare on an exarch with withdraw.Tarrasqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349747754369393749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-79425913490511229512013-02-15T21:23:30.181-08:002013-02-15T21:23:30.181-08:00Neither do shining spears, that's what Baron i...Neither do shining spears, that's what Baron is for.<br /><br />The problem with this idea is that Baron can be focused fired when you turboboost the bikes so he'll be the first to die.<br /><br />Not sure this will replace the beaststar.Tarrasqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349747754369393749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-49410614210064450782013-02-15T14:39:25.722-08:002013-02-15T14:39:25.722-08:00Reavers don't have hit and run.Reavers don't have hit and run. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10976723143092620262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-40938488793002907982013-02-15T11:05:59.947-08:002013-02-15T11:05:59.947-08:00I would be one of those people that say Shinging S...I would be one of those people that say Shinging Spears are possibly the worst unit in the Eldar Codex.<br /><br />I think the idea is nice, but I think is beter executed with a different unit. DE Reavers I think are much better and can cause more damage. They Turboboost over a unit and can actually hurt them and still have their 2+ Cover save. Now a single Flamer kills the unit and you cant have the Fortune. They come with Skilled Rider automatically and Combat Drugs. They are Int 6 and brings 3 Attacks on the Charge. Their upgrade character cn have a nice weapon upgrade if you want.<br /><br />But you can have more bikes (8-9) for a slightly higher cost. If you want to get them for cheaper, 6 Reavers with x2 Heat lances is 156pts. 9 Reavers with x3 Heat Lances is 234. <br /><br />Now the weaknesses is obviously the Fortune reroll and their survivability. But you can have more models in the unit to make up for losing 2-3 from shooting. <br /><br />I think Shining Spears can be ignored because their damage output is horrendous and they dont do much. Reavers can threaten with their Bladevanes or their Heavy Weapons they bring. They can hide in CC and leave whenever with Hit and Run.<br />SCP Yeemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275376323671672419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-26841746676595756912013-02-15T10:06:01.748-08:002013-02-15T10:06:01.748-08:00The list is at 1750, so while the troops are fragi...The list is at 1750, so while the troops are fragile I still think they are sufficient to get the job done. I definitely agree that heldrakes just ruin my day, but hey you can't win 'em all right? The Autarch is a great idea. I've played around with making the Eldar the primary, but around my parts forgeworld usually doesn't fly so I find that it doesn't have enough high strength firepower (although enough war walkers can glance most anything to death). I definitely want to play around with it and see how an Eldar-primary list would work, but I'm also limited by the fact that my eldar army is very small, and I just don't have the models! Still though, definitely worth a shot.jwhite1078https://www.blogger.com/profile/11493574416261274562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-467433483759908293.post-64850949609969860842013-02-15T09:59:10.494-08:002013-02-15T09:59:10.494-08:00A solid theory list. The biggest thing you would h...A solid theory list. The biggest thing you would have to watch out for is only having 5 fragile troops in 2k, and Helldrakes. Other than that I think you have a decent idea.<br /><br />I would suggest though switching to Eldar as a main army and get a Autarch to go along with the Shining Spears for some AP2 goodness with a power axe. That way he is another multi-wound jetbike with the unit. You can still get about the same firepower if you take more war walkers, a ravager for DE heavy, and grab a few nightwings/hornets for the Eldar FA slotsShadows Revengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806739153583640655noreply@blogger.com